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Retel Tulio's avatar

The Wokies didn’t get these things right at all.

1. The concept of equal outcomes is a utopian trick that only enables the worst individuals to climb to the top and harm the productive members of society.

2. The national myth has only run its course for the Wokies and their supporters.

3. The common sense and EQ that the Wokies brought to cultural criticism, where everything is blamed on white men, still reflect a Wokie perspective. Check out Bill Burr's funny story as he goes to Harlem to meet a black girl. It sounds more realistic than systemic racism.

https://youtu.be/_e-VWImaspc?si=KFV8MX-akgEodhbT

4. The Woke interest in history is basically judging Washington’s actions by Woke standards. Pathetic.

5. I agree on this point; they demonstrated how a direct democracy would work. It would be impulsive, volatile, and dysfunctional.

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Well, I hear you but I respectfully disagree.

First off: I think Progressives totally screwed the pooch on race, hard stop. They embraced the equal and opposing thing that 2016 Trump did with white people: Race essentialism. Somehow, we went statistically from good race relations circa 2015 to absolutely TERRIBLE now. Yet things have broadly only gotten better and better on this front in reality.

A lot of blame I think can go to Trump's initial 2016 first term radical extremism which pushed the Far Left into power in the midterms in 2018 bringing to light such winners as AOC, etc. We saw the rise of assholes like Ibram X Kendi, Nicole Hannah Jones (good ole historically false 1619 Project) and Robin DeAngelo, etc. Snake-oil of the worst kind. Then there was 2020, the apex of leftist absurdity. It shifted so many of us rightward. (I hate Trump and did not vote in 2024 and have only ever voted Dem. Now I am politically homeless.)

I don't think Woke is done yet, though. In the broad culture at large, and in broad media and politics right now; yes. But not in academia; there it's alive and well. Not in the book publishing business. As you know I wrote a piece for Republic of Letters on this re women vs men in publishing.

I think Woke is dormant. It's waiting for whatever happens after Trump. And I'm worried about it. I would much rather vote Dem than no one...but in order for that to happen I need to see a viable, honest and functional Dem party, and as of now that just simply does not exist. The inability of The Dem Party to clearly and unequivocally REJECT the far-left cause has been tragic and shocking to watch. But there it is, folks.

I'll give you this, Sam. I think The Wokies had the general vibe and broad IDEA right...love and community and anti-authoritarianism and calling out all the "isms," etc. But it's all about the HOW when it comes down to it. They terribly, absurdly failed in their methodology. We're seeing the fruits of that failure now with the second rise of Trump and the manic, insane world he has now created for us all. All far-left people need to read books again, especially these two: 1984 and Animal Farm, because it describes their thinking to a tee. When you use illiberalism to "gain back" liberalism....you cancel yourselves out. Kamala, anti-free speech actions, Biden with social media, 2020 rioting, profound leftist news bias, and so much more: All of this undid the WHAT of the Left. And they still, somehow, haven't learned the damn lesson.

Republic of Letters piece on Women vs Men in Publishing: https://michaelmohr.substack.com/p/are-women-preventing-men-from-publishing

Race and Politics essay: https://michaelmohr.substack.com/p/a-response-to-a-substack-writer-who

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